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i went to see vanessa beeley speak last night, and found it quite interesting: although i thought that her claims about what syrians felt to be at best based on only a few syrian opinions. on the way home i thought about her talk, which seemed to be a mixture of 'the corporate media is shit and tells lies', 'assad is objectively good and all the bad things are lies', 'the white helmets are nusra front', 'the west supports isis'. anyway, i thought i would reserve judgement until i had tested one of her claims, namely that last year there were dozens of reports of the last hospital in aleppo being destroyed over a period of months, which does seem to have legs: Last Hospital in Aleppo. but i would be grateful if those more knowledgeable than me about syria and the media war could let me know how reliable she is. she certainly seems to arouse strong emotions as there were stink bombs let off in the meeting and quite a ruckus outside during it.
 
She's a lying paid loon-stooge who associates with far right anti-semites, holocaust deniers and assorted gosling style-freaks. For example, the stink bombs from last night, she has reported as terrorists throwing non-lethal explosives in a clear attempt to get opposition pulled in under terror legislation. She and her comrades are also calling the syrian they barracked out/ejected a fake syrian who is in reality a saudi spy. He's actually a refugee whose entire family was killed by ISIS.

I have more details on her but am waiting on permission to publish them from the person who compiled them.

She is scum.
 
How many Syrians were inside the meeting, that you know of, and were they in support of Beeley or were they protesting?

Who threw the stink bombs, man or woman?

Who punched a protestor in the face leaving her with a black eye?
 
Geri said:
How many Syrians were inside the meeting, that you know of, and were they in support of Beeley or were they protesting?

Who threw the stink bombs, man or woman?

Who punched a protestor in the face leaving her with a black eye?
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there seemed to be at least three syrians, at least ones who took issue with beeley at the end of the meeting. the women i saw throwing stink bombs on the floor and stamping on them were white and in their twenties. i didn't see any protestor punched.
 
 
Pickman's model said:
there seemed to be at least three syrians, at least ones who took issue with beeley at the end of the meeting. the women i saw throwing stink bombs on the floor and stamping on them were white and in their twenties. i didn't see any protestor punched.
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She is claiming two Syrians who were totally in support of her. One of my friends who was there said they were Lebanese Hezbollah fans.

Abdulaziz Almashi from Syria Solidarity was shouting at her.

I think one of the women who threw the stinkbombs was a friend of mine who was punched in the face by a woman. She has a black eye today.
 
Geri said:
She is claiming two Syrians who were totally in support of her. One of my friends who was there said they were Lebanese Hezbollah fans.

Abdulaziz Almashi from Syria Solidarity was shouting at her.

I think one of the women who threw the stinkbombs was a friend of mine who was punched in the face by a woman. She has a black eye today.
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i'm sorry to hear about your friend. the women who threw the stink bombs in the meeting (i read that there were more thrown in the hallway) left the room without any injury i saw, and i was right beside them. there were additional middle-eastern appearing people in the room, but i couldn't tell their nationality.
 
Pickman's model said:
surfeit.
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cheers. i will castigate my phone - and English teacher.

Pickman's model said:
...and no, there wasn't, not in any commonly understood way anyway.
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pity. i went to a meeting with two of the more, err.. vociferous posters on this thread and the whole evening was punctuated with ever more desperate pleas for the attendees to please, for the love of God, take some of the half-dozen table fulls of Pakoras that someone had made for the evening but that no one touched...

then we went to a very nice pub.
 
kebabking said:
cheers. i will castigate my phone - and English teacher.



pity. i went to a meeting with two of the more, err.. vociferous posters on this thread and the whole evening was punctuated with ever more desperate pleas for the attendees to please, for the love of God, take some of the half-dozen table fulls of Pakoras that someone had made for the evening but that no one touched...

then we went to a very nice pub.
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Yes, they were rather optimistic on that front weren't they - thing is, i've been in meetings half that size where that stuff has gone in two minutes.

Anyway, here's some more background info on Beeley, compiled between me and (mostly) copliker - loads more out there, esp the french fascist connection:

Summary
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Daughter of British diplomat Sir Harold Beeley -

Education:
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Open University (Business Studies), St.Paul's Girl's School (£8k per term(!!))

Career:
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Management positions in waste, plastics, chemicals and recycling. Some Gaza charity stuff.

NOTE the bolded ones - some say she has never really moved on.

Associates:
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Mike Robinson: - Beeley is a regular on this person's one man youtube show, "UK Column" -
Robinson has appeared alongside "Kev Baker", who runs this mess -

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In 2014 Beeley spoke alongside Marion Sigaut, Jacob Cohen, Laurent Louis and Dieudonne. - (in French)

Marion Sigaut - involved with Alain Soral's far-right Egalite et Reconciliation organisation after eing a trot - much like Alain Soral (see below). Appears to be the fav semi-serious historian of David Icke.

Laurent Louis - former Belgian MP, supporter of Robert Faurisson and who claims the holocaust was by funded by zionists and that the 2014 Brussels Jewish Museum murders case was a false flag, kicked out of a Belgian Islamist party for being too unstable. Beeley also claims that the paris attacks were a false flag operation btw

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Dieudonne - comedian with long history of antisemitism, strong ties with Alain Soral and Jean Marie Le Pen, in fact the latter is the godfather to at least one his kids.

Alain Soral is a very well known extreme-right ideologue in France. He owned a bar in Paris (Le Local, 92 Rue De Javel) with another well known extreme-right figure, Batskin (Serge Ayoub - named batskin for the baseball bat he used on anti-fascists and left/anarchist opponents), leader of Jeunesses Nationalistes, one of three extreme-right groups that were dissolved after one of its members murdered young antifascist Clement Meric in 2013. He later wrote a book defending and mocking the murder.

Here is Soral doing Dieudonne's anti-semitic Quenelle gesture at the holocaust memorial in Berlin.

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In May 2016 she was a speaker at "Alternative View", an annual new age bollocks/conspiracy theorist conference.

Attendees:
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Ian R Crane - predicted that the authorities would use the London olympics as cover to stage an alien invasion which would then provide a pretext to enslave humanity. 911 denier, anti-semitic - all the usual stuff.

Dr Graham Downing - anti-Vaxxer - on he unusual grounds that vaccinations are intended to secretly impose transhumanism on babies.

Field McConnell - 9/11 truther and MH370 conspiracy theorist and massive anti-semite.

William Felderhof - Chemtrails guy

Michael Shrimpton - Claims he was a legal advisor for General Pinochet, got 12 months for claiming that German spies were going to nuke her majesty the Queen at the London olympics, with a device stolen from the sunken Russian Kursk submarine.

Max Igan - All round freak - holocaust denier, jewish conspiracy to take over world etc

Zen Gardner - Recently outed as leader of a paedophile cult.

Patrick Henningsen - founder of the "21st Century Wire" site, a regular on RT, looks like a strip club manager. Beeley is a regular on the site with articles and podcasts which incidentally, have featured adverts for something called "star food, with monatomic gold" (see also Kollerstrom, another regular). Henningsen is also a regular guest on Henrik Palmgren's Red Ice Radio.

Henrik Palmgren is a white nationalist. His Red Ice site features all the usual conspiracy stuff but more racism and holocaust denial.

Nicholas Kollerstrom here is one of the chief ideological drivers of the UK conspiracy theory swamp - he also claims not only is the Holocaust fake, but that he has discovered green gold.

Tony Gosling - Lots of chummy chatter going on.
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So these are her people, the people who inform her ideas and in turn support hers -, she represnts the the self-reinforcing conspiracy ghetto of the above types extending their toes into actual real world politics. And isn't that clear from Beeley's ramblings - that Al-Qaeda won an Oscar in the shape of the White Helmets and so on.

And this meeting was allowed to be held in the Marx Memorial Library? The Morning Star hails her as a hero? Rather than protesting or exposing her.
 
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We picketed two of her meetings in Bristol. At the first, butchers was falsely accused of assault and they called the police, who asked to see the CCTV. There was no CCTV (despite them claiming it had been captured on it) and the 'victim' then told them he did not wish to take it further.

At the second we had members of Syria Solidarity UK come down (see the Beeley in Bristol link above) who were ejected from the meeting by force.

When I did these, Beeley called me out on Facebook, which resulted in threats and insults from her deranged supporters. I've been called a whore and an ugly cunt, a stupid and violent psychopath, an ISIS supporter, a Zionist and a NATO terrorist.
 
Geri said:
We picketed two of her meetings in Bristol. At the first, butchers was falsely accused of assault and they called the police, who asked to see the CCTV. There was no CCTV (despite them claiming it had been captured on it) and the 'victim' then told them he did not wish to take it further.

At the second we had members of Syria Solidarity UK come down (see the Beeley in Bristol link above) who were ejected from the meeting by force.

When I did these, Beeley called me out on Facebook, which resulted in threats and insults from her deranged supporters. I've been called a whore and an ugly cunt, a stupid and violent psychopath, an ISIS supporter, a Zionist and a NATO terrorist.
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butchersapron said:
Anyway, here's some more background info on Beeley, compiled between me and copliker...
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so, this delightful individual manages to fall into both the 'not very nice', and 'not very credible' camps then?


butchersapron said:
Yes, they were rather optimistic on that front weren't they - thing is, i've been in meetings half that size where that stuff has gone in two minutes.
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if i'd known there was going to be free food i might not have had pudding before we got there... :thumbs:
 
butchersapron said:
Yes, they were rather optimistic on that front weren't they - thing is, i've been in meetings half that size where that stuff has gone in two minutes.

Anyway, here's some more background info on Beeley, compiled between me and (mostly) copliker - loads more out there, esp the french fascist connection:

Summary
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Daughter of British diplomat Sir Harold Beeley -

Education:
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Open University (Business Studies), St.Paul's Girl's School (£8k per term(!!))

Career:
-------
Management positions in waste, plastics, chemicals and recycling. Some Gaza charity stuff.

NOTE the bolded ones - some say she has never really moved on.

Associates:
-----------
Mike Robinson: - Beeley is a regular on this person's one man youtube show, "UK Column" -
Robinson has appeared alongside "Kev Baker", who runs this mess -

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In 2014 Beeley spoke alongside Marion Sigaut, Jacob Cohen, Laurent Louis and Dieudonne. - (in French)

Marion Sigaut - involved with Alain Soral's far-right Egalite et Reconciliation organisation after eing a trot - much like Alain Soral (see below). Appears to be the fav semi-serious historian of David Icke.

Laurent Louis - former Belgian MP, supporter of Robert Faurisson and who claims the holocaust was by funded by zionists and that the 2014 Brussels Jewish Museum murders case was a false flag, kicked out of a Belgian Islamist party for being too unstable. Beeley also claims that the paris attacks were a false flag operation btw

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Dieudonne - comedian with long history of antisemitism, strong ties with Alain Soral and Jean Marie Le Pen, in fact the latter is the godfather to at least one his kids.

Alain Soral is a very well known extreme-right ideologue in France. He owned a bar in Paris (Le Local, 92 Rue De Javel) with another well known extreme-right figure, Batskin (Serge Ayoub - named batskin for the baseball bat he used on anti-fascists and left/anarchist opponents), leader of Jeunesses Nationalistes, one of three extreme-right groups that were dissolved after one of its members murdered young antifascist Clement Meric in 2013. He later wrote a book defending and mocking the murder.

Here is Soral doing Dieudonne's anti-semitic Quenelle gesture at the holocaust memorial in Berlin.

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In May 2016 she was a speaker at "Alternative View", an annual new age bollocks/conspiracy theorist conference.

Attendees:
---------
Ian R Crane - predicted that the authorities would use the London olympics as cover to stage an alien invasion which would then provide a pretext to enslave humanity. 911 denier, anti-semitic - all the usual stuff.

Dr Graham Downing - anti-Vaxxer - on he unusual grounds that vaccinations are intended to secretly impose transhumanism on babies.

Field McConnell - 9/11 truther and MH370 conspiracy theorist and massive anti-semite.

William Felderhof - Chemtrails guy

Michael Shrimpton - Claims he was a legal advisor for General Pinochet, got 12 months for claiming that German spies were going to nuke her majesty the Queen at the London olympics, with a device stolen from the sunken Russian Kursk submarine.

Max Igan - All round freak - holocaust denier, jewish conspiracy to take over world etc

Zen Gardner - Recently outed as leader of a paedophile cult.

Patrick Henningsen - founder of the "21st Century Wire" site, a regular on RT, looks like a strip club manager. Beeley is a regular on the site with articles and podcasts which incidentally, have featured adverts for something called "star food, with monatomic gold" (see also Kollerstrom, another regular). Henningsen is also a regular guest on Henrik Palmgren's Red Ice Radio.

Henrik Palmgren is a white nationalist. His Red Ice site features all the usual conspiracy stuff but more racism and holocaust denial.

Nicholas Kollerstrom here is one of the chief ideological drivers of the UK conspiracy theory swamp - he also claims not only is the Holocaust fake, but that he has discovered green gold.

Tony Gosling - Lots of chummy chatter going on.
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So these are her people, the people who inform her ideas and in turn support hers -, she represnts the the self-reinforcing conspiracy ghetto of the above types extending their toes into actual real world politics. And isn't that clear from Beeley's ramblings - that Al-Qaeda won an Oscar in the shape of the White Helmets and so on.

And this meeting was allowed to be held in the Marx Memorial Library? The Morning Star hails her as a hero? Rather than protesting or exposing her.
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I knew the new communist party were er strange, never heard of socialist fight before tho who had a speaker too
 
I think she's quite good on a number of points . The white helmets are indeed a front for terror groups . No doubt about that . That the Allepo humanitarian card was played shamelessly, that stuff . Thats absolutely true . Even Panorama has been caught bang to rights blatantly staging this hospital atrocity stuff and having people act for the cameras and there's not a fucking peep about it . and naturally enough anyone pointing this out will have their reputations trashed . No surprises there .
 
Michael shrimpton the M&S of loon spunds you really have to go some to get prosecuted and jailed for claiming the Nazis are going to nuke her Majesty.:rolleyes:.

Mind you the spooks might have planted the child porn:hmm: usually nonces have thousands of of images not just a few not out of some grandiose conspriacy though.:rolleyes:.

More some pissed off spook whose had his time wasted by this lunatic:mad::D
 
likesfish said:
Michael shrimpton the M&S of loon spunds you really have to go some to get prosecuted and jailed for claiming the Nazis are going to nuke her Majesty.:rolleyes:.

Mind you the spooks might have planted the child porn:hmm: usually nonces have thousands of of images not just a few not out of some grandiose conspriacy though.:rolleyes:.

More some pissed off spook whose had his time wasted by this lunatic:mad::D
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Are there any translators available, or have the cuts done for them?​
 
Pickman's model said:
i went to see vanessa beeley speak last night, and found it quite interesting: although i thought that her claims about what syrians felt to be at best based on only a few syrian opinions. on the way home i thought about her talk, which seemed to be a mixture of 'the corporate media is shit and tells lies', 'assad is objectively good and all the bad things are lies', 'the white helmets are nusra front', 'the west supports isis'. anyway, i thought i would reserve judgement until i had tested one of her claims, namely that last year there were dozens of reports of the last hospital in aleppo being destroyed over a period of months, which does seem to have legs: Last Hospital in Aleppo. but i would be grateful if those more knowledgeable than me about syria and the media war could let me know how reliable she is. she certainly seems to arouse strong emotions as there were stink bombs let off in the meeting and quite a ruckus outside during it.
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Assad has used chemical agents against his own people. That is enough to form an opinion I feel.
 
Sasaferrato said:
Assad has used chemical agents against his own people. That is enough to form an opinion I feel.
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she was of the opinion your man blameless in this regard.

tbh i am of the view that you don't support someone simply because the uk government doesn't like them. sadly this subtlety seems to have escaped some people i have met recently. it's not assad's use of chemical weapons (or not), it's that whatever else he is - or isn't - he is a vile dictator. i'm essentially a 'plague on (almost) all your houses' man, with a soft spot for elements of the kurds.
 
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